K. Kellogg-Smith

(Opening my talk page)

Greetings from New Zealand

I noticed your correspondence with Jose77 and thought I should look in here. I hope things are going OK.

Robin Patterson 04:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC) in Porirua

Climate diagrams

Hello! Perhaps a little bit early :-), but today I uploaded several climate diagrams for 10 locations of Papua New Guinea to Commons (see commons:User:JörgM/climatepapua). Of course they are just in German and English respectively, but if you (i. e. the Tok Pisin community) would like to have them in Tok Pisin, contact me for integration of a translation of the terms which are English or German now (the months, "temperature", "precipitation" and so on).

Unfortunately in the late afternoon the harddisk of the computer with which I am creating the climate diagrams tried to make a lot of troubles, so a new one is needed and work is delayed for a while, but the data should have been saved. Best regards -- commons:User:JörgM 21:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary

Hi, I've now copied this discussion to WikiProject_Melanesia/Tok_Pisin ... let's continue the discussion there. Mattandrews 06:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

I'm assuming there are no functioning delete templates etc... if there are, let me know.

In the meantime, could you delete category User it? I've created category Yusa it instead.

Cheers, Mattandrews 07:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for you note, Matt. I hadn't thought to test the box as a template within a template. I've printed (but not read yet) the MediWiki paper on simplifying Wiki interlinks, primarily so I can make links to the TPI Wiktionary from English swap words and phrases that regularly occur in the daily "Karen afeas" updates I've been making. I'll redo the WikiProject Melanesia box the first chance I get.

Re "Yusa:" vice "User:", bear with me, but I'm of a mind that all technical work done in both Wikis should be done exclusively in English, not pisin. In fact, on my "to do" list is the job of renming all those "Yusa"s to "User", and the same with the existing templates (e.g., the botched "Infoboks/Infobox Kantri" template). My reasoning for this is that English is the international language of communication, so technical work, such as creating templates et. al. should always be done in English to facilitate work being done by educated people who are not familiar with, or at ease with, working in Tok Pisin exclusively. nbsp;There's so much work to be done on the two Wikis that I think this approach is essential to obtaining expert technical help from both Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians alike, and in so doing thereby obtaining what I hope (and I'm sure you do also) much wider acceptance of the two Wikis. And not to mention the fact that writing the /doc documentation subpage for the boxes and templates would be pretty difficult thing to do for user/editors with limited experience with Melanesian pisin.

Incidentally, I wrote a support note to your request for temp sysop, but I either didn't save it when I exited the edit, or it was deleted from the MediaWiki request page. Whatever, I sincerely hope that the powers that be quickly act to approve your request.

K. Kellogg-Smith 16:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, and thanks for the support. I began setting up a full Request for Adminship system here but really I think it's a bit premature given the low level of user activity. So I've just asked for temporary sysop now. And I've also requested interface translation rights at BetaWiki.

On the question of English vs. Tok Pisin for technical elements, I agree completely that templates and other non-visible technical elements should be all-English. However I do think that categories are a different matter - they are part of the visible wikipedia and part of the navigation system, and as such should be in Tok Pisin. Cheers, Mattandrews 00:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Change of username

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I've now registered an account with username Wantok here (and the same on Tok Pisin Wiktionary). I plan to stop using the Mattandrews accounts, so this is to let you know that I'm now Wantok everywhere. I've done this for consistency and also in preparation for the new cross-project-login feature. Wantok 00:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Your reversions and edits on Papua Niugini

Hi, I have to take objection to some of your reversions of my edits, and further changes, on Papua Niugini.

You reverted my corrections of the headings Manmeri to Ol manmeri, Tokples to Ol tokples and Provins to Ol provins. The old headings - e.g. Tokples - are grammatically incorrect, as they are singular. It is like having the English headings Province, Person, and Language when they should be Provinces, People, and Languages. It is simply bad Tok Pisin to have the headings in their old form. The Ol is needed to form the plural.
I wrote Papua Niugini igat antap long 800 tokples. Klostu 20% bilong olgeta tokples long wol istap long dispela kantri which means PNG has more than 800 languages. Around 20% of the world's languages are in this country. You changed Klostu 20% bilong olgeta tokples to Klostu 20 pesen tokples (oa 160), which is ungrammatical - it should be 20 pesen bilong ol tokples - and numerically wrong: I was saying that these 800 languages form 20% of the world's 4000-odd languages. You appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the Tok Pisin I wrote.
I wrote Insait long ol skul na long ofis bilong gavman oli save yusim Tok Inglis, tasol planti manmeri long peles save yusim ol tokples. Nambawan tokples bilong kantri emi Tok Pisin, na planti manmeri long olgeta hap bilong kantri save yusim which you changed to Insait long ol skul na long ofis bilong gavman oli save na spik Inglis, na i save na yusim Tok Pisin tu. Tasol planti manmeri long peles save yusim ol tokples. Nambawan tokples bilong rural regions long kantri emi Tok Pisin, na planti manmeri long olgeta hap bilong kantri save yusim. Your change from oli save yusim Tok Inglis to oli save na spik Inglis is bewildering - spik is regarded as poor Tok Pisin, used by outsiders mainly, and why did you change the correct Tok Inglis to Inglis, again the mark of someone treating Tok Pisin as something like broken English? I suspect you have misunderstood the use of the word save in this context - here it does not mean understand, it means to have a practice of or to usually/always. Later, you changed Nambawan tokples bilong kantri emi Tok Pisin to Nambawan tokples bilong rural regions long kantri emi Tok Pisin. Firstly there no reason to insert the English rural regions here - it's not as if Tok Pisin cannot express this. Secondly I disagree with your suggestion that Tok Pisin is not the primarily language in towns - it is. Even though written government materials are in English, and the school system is largely in English (apart from vernacular teaching in the Elementary stage), Tok Pisin is the dominant oral language in towns as well as villages. That's the case even in government offices, much of the time, when Papua New Guineans discuss things.

I must say I am pretty annoyed when I fix Tok Pisin which is very clearly incorrect and find that you have reverted it into an incorrect state, when you are by your own assessment still a beginner at Tok Pisin, and clearly you have a way to go in reading and understanding Tok Pisin fully, let alone writing it.

I appreciate the effort you are taking here, but please keep in mind that your Tok Pisin is still at a basic level. I'm not trying to be insulting here at all, but I get the impression that you believe the Tok Pisin you are writing is of good quality - to be blunt, it just isn't, yet. You will need quite a bit of further study before that. I completely disagree with your assertion on en-pedia that Tok Pisin can be picked up easily from reading some news stories and dictionaries; there is a definite and well developed grammar. I recommend A New Course in Tok Pisin by Tom Dutton and Dicks Thomas (with the accompanying audio tapes) as having a good coverage of the grammar and subtleties of expression. To be frank, much of your writing so far is ungrammatical and just sounds wrong. I don't wish to discourage you - just to let you know that there is a lot more you need to learn.

Wantok 01:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Matt, I thank you for your well-intentioned comments. One of the Foundation's basic protocols and courtesies is to use the discussion page prior to or after making significant edits or changes to someone else's work. Brief edit box summaries of changes are not considered to be appropriate for providing reasons for extensive changes. In the case of the "Tokples" section, what caught my eye was that you rewrote the original author's text, substituting your version in its place. I looked on the discussion page for an explanation why you felt that your version of the "Tokples" sction was better than the original, but found nothing there.

As I read through the text you substituted, it seemed to me that your view is that tokpisin is the default language of PNG, widespread even in schools and in government offices. I disagree with that view. Like it or not, English is the default and accepted language of communication in PNG. Tok Pisin is — in all its variations — a necessary and useful adjunct to the national language. And that's what I believe you failed to make clear in your version of "Tokples", a section which is normally used to describe a country's national language, and other aspects of the languages of the country. That's why I added some extra words in your version. Tok Pisin isn't the primary language of written or spoken communication in urban PNG. It's commonly used, and its use is increasing, but nonetheless it's being continually anglicized with more and more code swapping and code substitution. Perhaps your point of reference for using tokpisin is the smaller towns and villages of PNG and the surrounding islands, where tokpisin is undoubtedly used extensively. But the lack of any real any real or viable urban interest in resurrecting Fr. Mihalic's "Wontok" tokpisin-only newspaper indicates that the market for a such a newspaper is limited, and not commercially viable. Which wouldn't be the case if tokpisin were a better and more widely used means of communication among the better educated people of PNG. I've yet to come across a PNG high school, college, or university website describing their institutions and their courses of study that are written exclusively (or even partially) in tokpisin. Would you let me know if you happen to come across any educational, government, or commercial websites that use tok pisin, partially or exclusively, on their websites Matt? Thanks.
As for my level of understanding of tok pisin, it's now much better than it was before I started studying it a month ago. I make no apologies for my TP grammar; what was good enough for Fr. Mihalic is good enough for me. My TP vocabulary has reached a point where I can read and understand tok pisin text with about 75%-85% accuracy, and write it at about 60% or better linguistic correctnes. Sure, my writing in tokpisin is basic. I know it is. But what I write is understandable tokpisn, and that's what's important. And from my language studies over the years I've learned that the only way to learn a language is to use it, use it, use it, and continue to use it as much as possible and not be embarrased about making linguistic mistakes. I've found in my travels that true native speakers (those born and raised in-country) are most often very forgiving and helpful to anyone trying to speak or read their language. I measure my progress in tokpisin by this common language studies benchmark: "If you find yourself starting to think in a language you're learning, then you really are learning that language." And that's where I'm at right now with tok pisin ... starting to think in tok pisin as I write it. And my tokpisin will continue to improve with time. Oh yeah, as for my code swapping "rural regions", perhaps you can come up with a tokpisin definition for "rural"? Neither my Mihalic or the online Tok-Pisin dictionary I mostly use have a definition for that word. And thanks for the tip on Dutton's; it's far too expensive and extensive a package for the work I'm doing here, and Radio Australia's Tok Pisin service with its streaming audio is more than adequate for listening to the various ways tok pisin text is spoken. I've studied and have used quite a number of different languages in my travels around the world (far more than I've listed in my language boxes), and I'll stand by the statement I made in my WikiProject Melanesia Tok Pisin progress report about the on-line resources available for learning Tok Pisin. The bulk of the Tok Pisin vocabulary are English cognates spelled phonetically, and that makes it very easy to quickly acquire a reasonable understanding of the language. And my understanding of English and Tok Pisin usage in PNG is actually far better than you might think, thanks to the Internet and to some academic papers on the subject that I have recently acquired.
What I'm shooting for with the two TPI Wikis, Matt, is to get a range of users and outside advisors proficient in tok pisin who will review, comment, and correct articles in the TPI Wikipedia (and Wiktionary), articles written by authors like myself at the -1 level and above. I'm encouraging anyone who has an interest in Tok Pisin and Melanesia/Oceania to jump in and get their feet wet by writing simple, basic articles in Tok Pisin, and not worry about how linguistically incorrect they may be. Hopefully those proficient in Tok Pisin (such as yourself) will be thoughtful enough to help beginners achieve greater proficiency in tok pisin by making corrections in helpfully documented edits such as yours above. I'm also encouraging all users to copy existing Melanesia/Oceania related articles in other encyclopedias, simplify those articles, and then (when and if possible) translate those articles into Tok Pisin versions.
Best regards, K. Kellogg-Smith 05:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

If that's your response, then I'm afraid I have better things to do with my time than being lectured on Tok Pisin and on Papua New Guinea by someone who clearly has very little understanding of either. Goodbye. Wantok 09:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that you feel that way, Matt. But never the less, thanks very much for the comments and suggestions you've contributed about the two Wikis and the "rebooting" project. Your views about the project have been very helpful in shaping the direction that the Wikis will be/are now taking. K. Kellogg-Smith 13:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Orait, taim bihain dispela Wantok (a.k.a. "Matt Andrews") ya em na wantok blong em tru ya em tupela i gat hotbel na laik toktok nogut baksait blong mi iet. Empla ya em tupela wanem troemwe mi long TPI sisop/administreta ya, na mekim kain 'kangaroo' kot foa troemwe mi, na mekim lokal sisop/administreta 'eleksin' we Wantok i nominatim wantok blongem nem "Aliasd" foa TPI sisop/administreta. Displa 'eleksin' moa laik em tupla i givim kis baksait wanpela wanpela. Ating mi spik tru; maski (o "no nevermind"), na macht nichts iet. The proof of the pudding will be the state of Andrews' and Aliasd's TPI Wikipedia and Wiktionary a year from now. K. Kellogg-Smith 18:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Kurów and other articles

You are stupid because article about Kurów and a lot of other articles were stubs so you can't delete it. You must do there article again or I'll write to staffs that you shouldn't admin here! Pietras1988 ^TALK 09:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The Tok Pisin Wikipedia is being reconstructed/restructured to meet Wikipedia standards. Because I am doing all the work on this project, I take the position that my sysop/administrator authority permits me (among other things) to delete any and all articles that (1) I believe are non-relevant stubs, (2) articles that are clearly not encyclopedic, and (3) anything else that in my judgement do not meet the criteria of a bona fide Wikipedia article or Wikipedia stub. Argue and complain about it if you wish. In my best judgement the Polish stubs you refer to met all of the criteria I have stated here. K. Kellogg-Smith 15:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

But this is encyclopedic stub. I'll write that you are fucking sysop!

That's a VERY unwiki attitude. Wikis need to evolve from different views, and you shouldn't claim yourself the ultimate right to decide content. In particular, a town is a valid geographic stub (subs get eventually expanded, stubs are not vandalism and not garbage). A geographic location is not the same as a garage band. Drini 02:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You are doing all the work on this project? That is also very un-wiki. It seems you should exercise more caution when using your admin rights. This project is not your very own walled garden.

Yes, I am doing all the work, and yes, it probably is very much my own walled garden at this time. There had been no work on the TPI Wikis for 18 months before I decided to have a go at it. I attempted to form from WikiProject Melanesia members an ad hoc board of advisors to help define the project. Only one member responded. That member wanted the TPI Wikipedia to be as it was, a monolingual (tok pisin only) Wikipedia. From my review and study of contempory tok pisin usage I decided (yes, decided arbitrarily) to allow English language articles related to Melanesia in the Wikipedia, as well as any other useful, and relevant, English articles.

As for deciding on content, I hold contributors to the same standard as used in the English language Wikipedia. "Walkaway" stubs, like the Kurov article, are entries where the author is only interested in getting the article into as many Wikipedias as possible and has no intention of expanding the article into a legitimate encyclopedia article. My position is this: Walkaway and placeholder stubs can be placed in a holding area that is not in the main namespace. The main namespace should at all times be reserved for legitimate articles, and stubs of at least 250 or more words that can be easily be the lead paragraph for an expanded article, or have in the stub the sub-headings normally associated with the article's content. The creation of an article is clearly explained in the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and that standard should necessarily be applied here.

K. Kellogg-Smith 19:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC) (TPI sysop/administrator)

Interwiki bots

[1] Drini 02:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Block

You have blocked my static IP from tpiwiki. The rationale does not seem to be appropriate. Please explain? Aliasd 06:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Block Log Aliasd 06:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me.

I blocked your IP because there was no other way of talking to you about your contributions. You didn't log on under your user name, so to me you were just another anonymous contributor (WikiMedia rules state that unregistered users may edit, but not contribute articles to Wikipedia). By not logging on, you prevented me from using your TPI user talk page, as well as preventing me from emailing you via Wikipedia email service.

Wrong. Anonymous contributors can edit, create and contribute articles. Across all wikis (perhaps EXCEPT, english wikipedia where they can't create them, but english wikipedia is the exception, not the rule) Drini 15:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Although your contributions were stubs in need of being developed further into full fleged Tok Pisin articles, they were nonetheless very worthwhile contributions, and very much appreciated. I was pleased to see them, but unable to talk to you about them. So I figured if I blocked your IP you'd do as you just did — contact me about being blocked, and we could go on from there.

(On another, but related subject, the Tabubil article in EN Wikipedia): You had made a request in the WikiProject Melanesia portal to have the "Tabubil" article copyedited, an edit that I completed last week while on vacation in Canada. My question to you about that article (which, incidentally, was very interesting and informative) is this: Are you able to do a close Tok Pisin translation of that article and contriubute it to the Tok Pisin Wikipedia? And if so, would you be willing to do so?

Best regards, K. Kellogg-Smith 16:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC) (TPI sysop/administrator)

As far as I know it's possible to open a talk page to an IP - especially if it is a static one. When working on German Wikipedia (where I do not have a user account), there was somebody contacting me this way (though with me it will not work properly, because I do not have a static IP). And by the way: The right to create new articles is handled in different ways in different wikipedias. Regards -- commons:User:JörgM 08:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your note. I did indeed speak ignorantly there. Afterwards, I went back and checked and found that it is possible to create a Talk page for an IP, as you so noted. However, it was too late (and too embarrasing?) for me to go back and correct myself. The value of your comment to me is that, as you have pointed out, (1) an IP does nothing more than indicate the source ISP and client account from which an entry is made, nothing else, (2) there is no guarantee that a non-registered user will necessarily see that IP's talk page, and (3) by not registering one can't send a Wikipedia e-mail to non-registered user because those users have not given Wikipedia an e-mail address. It should be ovbious then that, because of privacy considerations and legalities, non-registered users (for example, spammers/vandalizers) can only be identified up to the location of the ISP that they are using at the time they made their contribution or edit. In other words, non-registered users are completely anonymous and essentially unaccountable for their actions in Wikipedia (aside from being blocked, that is).

Aside from all that, I'd like to acquaint you with the fact (if you by chance don't already know so) that Tok Pisin owes its initial development and formation to the colonization and plantation building efforts of the pre-1914 German Empire. That's right. Tok Pisin developed from German colonists bringing in Melanesian workers to work with Samoans in what was Germany's protectorate of Samoa (subsequently partitioned into British and American Samoa after 1918). Tok Pisin back then was a random pidgin-English jargon which became more stabilized under German rule in Samoa and the Solomon Islands. That development of what is now called "Tok Pisin" is known as Samoan Plantation Pidgin, or SPP. And as a consequence of Germany's colonization in the Pacific, much of Tok Pisin developed at that time was based on the German language, and German is still embedded in contemporary Tok Pisin (e.g., haus, raus, bliestift and zuruck, to name just one of the many German-based words still remaining in Tok Pisin). Had it not been for the Australians seizing Papua New Guinea and the Solomons at the outset hostilities in 1914, it's quite likely that much of the German influence in developing Tok Pisin and its vocabulary would still be there. Just thought you'd like to know (and possibly, write for the TPI Wikipedia a short article (in English or in German, your choice) about Germany's colonization era in the Pacific?).

Thanks again for your note. And incidentally, I'm registered on the DE Wikipedia, and have even (despite my mediocre Deutschensprache) made a small but significant correction to the article there on "Operation Pastorius". K. Kellogg-Smith 15:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC) (TPI sysop/administrator).

Well, you see, though it's not easy to contact a person working with IP, it's the right of any user to work in IP anonymity as long as you allow anonymous edits - and that's policy on Wikimedia projects, if not, they could prevent anonymous users from editing easily.

Concerning e-mailing: As far as I know nobody who registers is forced to register his or any e-mail address. So you can't be sure that a registered user can be contacted by e-mail.

Concerning Tok Pisin: Thank you for acquainting; when researching for the actual name of the Papua Schouten Islands (those near Wewak, without any result yet) and afterwards for the climate diagrams (see above), I stumbled over some articles in the Wikipedias and got a little bit interested (besides that former German colonies in the Pacific are not a new item to me). But all in all, my Wikipedia contributions will be restricted to climate diagrams (that takes much time and even money), and the rest of my web contributions will be put on my own website (and probably not released under GFDL or even into PD) - if there will be any. So perhaps ask me again in some years ... Regards -- commons:User:JörgM 20:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note here. There's a concept in psychology called "assumptive knowledge", wherein one believes one's assumptions are correct, and acts accordingly. No offense, but if you will go to meta.wikimedia.org and call up the article Anonymous user, perhaps that article will add to your knowledge of Wikipedia polices regarding anonymous user page creation and editing.

Tschüs!

K. Kellogg-Smith 01:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC) (TPI sysop/administrator)

Well, my English knowledge may be not very good, but I read m:Anonymous user carefully and did not find anything which forces anyone to register or not to edit anonymously - there are just given the disadvantages for anonymous users and that there are some definite restrictions on some Wikimedia projects and may be some more on others for anonymous users. Regards -- commons:User:JörgM 07:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous users are forced by Mediawiki to conform in these matters, there is no need for administrator intervention unless persistant vandalism is occurring. Also, I think there is no shame in admitting to, and repairing a mistake. Additionally, my IP is contactable, if you reverse DNS the IP and perform a whois on the domain, my contact details are displayed. Aliasd 23:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Requests for adminship process

Hi, I wanted to inform you that we now have a local Requests for adminship process here on the Tok Pisin Wikipedia, for the first time. It follows the English Wikipedia in most respects: registered users may show support or opposition to any candidate, and users who are not logged in may make comments but not actually support or oppose.

Regards, Wantok 08:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I had noticed a few weeks ago that you copied the relevant Wikimedia articles into the TPI Wikipedia: namespace. Good luck on your quest for adminship. K. Kellogg-Smith 11:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Page protection

The following templates will never be altered and need to be protected: (They do not require translation work)

Also, I took the liberty of creating the {{prod}} template. You can watch Category:All articles proposed for deletion for articles flagged with this template. Aliasd 23:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Removal of content.

Please do not blank articles without consensus, as you did to {{Karen Afeas}} and {{Karen afeas/holim}}. Please also keep in mind that if you decide to contribute to a wikimedia project, you cannot remove your work from said project simply because of a personal grievance. If you continue to blank pages, it may be considered vandalism. Aliasd 10:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Warnings

To centralise warnings from here and elsewhere, and make it abundantly clear to you:

You are not permitted to blank pages, as you attempted to do with {{Karen Afeas}}
You are not permitted to attempt to revoke the GFDL, as you attempted to do with {{Karen Afeas}}
You must keep a civil and non threatening tone in your dealings with other users, unlike your recent post on User talk:Aliasd

Failure to heed these warnings will result in you being banned from this project. We welcome contributions here, but your main concern here seems to be to disrupt this project. Mabye you should just take a Wikibreak of your own accord, and come back when you have calmed down a little? Aliasd 05:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, but because of the attitude you have taken in your posts here I really must now insist that you justify your statements with regard to the Karen Afeas template by citing Wikipedia Foundation policy that (1) I am not permitted to delete text that I have contributed, (2) that I attempted to "revoke the GFDL" (whatever it is you mean by that), and (3) that in your opinion and words I am attempting to disrupt this project. I take your third accusation very, very seriously. The record shows my extensive contributions to this project, and what my position is with regard to my deleteing text that I have contributed. I have offered a compromise solution and time for you and Matt Andrews to consider doing what I have suggested. If you want to assert what you consider to be your authority and challenge me yet again on this subject, then you leave me no choice but to register a complaint in Wikimedia's permissions section about this matter, and let the matter be settled there. K. Kellogg-Smith 20:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This information is given before you save any edit here:

Please note that all contributions to Wikipedia are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see Project:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.

You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!

Your contributions to Wikipedia are released under GFDL, basically that means that when you hit Save page you also release the content for anybody to freely use it providing they attribute it correctly. Anybody includes Wikipedia, and attribution is provided through the history page. You have relased the content for anybody to use, you can not take that back; you cannot revoke the GFDL.

Please remember that the goal of this project is to make a Wikipedia and that that takes a community. Nobody can do it alone and any sysops are the servants of the community, not the other way round. This is not a competition about who gets to be sysop, because anybody can contribute here, sysop or not, and all good-faith contributors are valuable. --Jorunn 21:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page days ago to your post there with a link to Wikipedia policy stating you cannot revoke the GFDL. Aliasd 23:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocked: 30 days

I have just read through your comments at Talk:Hiri Motu and your subsequent comments about the number of articles in other languages, your thinking about petitioning to have this wiki reverted back to 2007, the comments about Wantok, and various other remarks in your rant on this page. For the content of this rant, which is rude towards other editors, and quite unfriendly, I have blocked you from editing for 30 days. During this time, your account creation is disabled.

I also read that you are thinking about reapplying for temp admin perms on this wiki. Based on your previous record, the warnings from Aliasd for page blanking and other items on your talk page, I have confirmed to the stewards that I will object strongly to any such request. I've put in almost 18 months worth of work waking this place up, and I don't intend to see it go down the pan. Please come back if you consider that you can contibute politely and without taking out your frustrations on this wiki :) BarkingFish 16:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC) (Administrator via Stewards / Request for Permissions)

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